Paul Vincenti should get a life

Why does Gift of Life, a marginal group of loony bigots who would like us to celebrate our birthday nine months earlier, elicit such a strong revulsion in people like me?

James Debono 6 January 2011, 12:00am

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Surely they do not make my temperature rise because they are against abortion. For who is? Even pro-choice people would like to see an end to all illegal back-street abortions, and the number of safe and legal abortions decreased to a bare minimum.

And it isn't because they are pro-life and would like to keep abortion illegal in Malta for as long as they live. I understand the genuine feelings of the majority of the Maltese who want to protect the unborn and are therefore opposed to abortion. But in most probability, the majority do not have in mind the protection of a bunch of cells to deny IVF treatment to childless couples.

Perhaps it is because GoL are so obsessive that they even remind us that our birthday comes nine months before we celebrate it. By that logic Paul Vincenti should celebrate his Christmas some time in March.

What irks me is how they exploit the genuine unease on abortion of fully-formed foetuses, to push an agenda which attributes full human rights to embryonic human cells which lack any human form. And this in a bid to curtail access to a safe IVF process: a process that limits the number of implanted cells to prevent the death of fully formed foetuses or children born with conditions like cerebral palsy.

Perversely, the pro-lifers seem to be more worried by the human rights of a few cells than with the happiness of childless couples who would like to be endowed with the gift of life.

What irks me is the witch-hunting of people who do not submit to their not so innocent political agenda. As if we do not live normal lives and love our children too! And the fault for this are these politicians who gave these people recognition: some of them are in the Nationalist Party who are still flirting with these nutters.

What irks me is the arrogance of self-righteous people who have the audacity of proposing a constitutional amendment to impose their views on future generations.

I have a deep respect for NGOs made of people who dedicate their free time to defend a cause. But despite their intense feelings on issues ranging from animal rights to GMOs, nobody has so far come up with proposing such a final solution. This is like having a group of radical greens obsessed with the (very real) dangers of nuclear power. Despite the fact that there is no nuclear lobby in Malta this group starts lobbying parliament to amend the Constitution to ensure that a two-thirds majority would be required if any future government intends to buy nuclear energy from the mainland. They will equate this to killing children in Chernobyl whose photos they will use to push their cause. Despite my deep concerns on nuclear power, I would simply dismiss these people as a group of nutters. Probably the media will ignore them. And perhaps that is what we should do with Gift of Life.

The problem is that they elicit such an explosive cocktail of emotions that it is very hard not to ignore them. I would like to tell Vincenti to simply get a life. Instead I find myself wasting my time writing this blog.

James Debono is MaltaToday's chief reporter on environment, planning and land use issues, ...

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Pedro are you related to speredy gonzales?because you are so confused amigo.

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NO to abortion means no to divorce. No to divorce mean no to abortion

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Never read such a load of bull. James dear friend, you don't need to get personal. It shows you take things personally and cannot remain objective. The Gift for Lifers are doing what the vast majority are afraid to do, speak up. Bashing people like these lowers respect for you.

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this james debono has no idea what he is talking about. Have you ever been pregnant? Of course not. Being a father does not qualify you to tell us that an embryo is less than your child. You should behave yourself Mr Debono.

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Nina Hanina I think that you are a very confused person who is hurting very much. Killing little babies in our wombs will in the end affect us. It is just not natural that abortion can happen without it devastating women. Our nature is made that way. Anyone who tries to tell me that it is just a choice is in denial.

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Nina Hanina I think that maybe you have lived in that messed up country called the USA for too long and you have been infected with their warped sense of morality. Women have not such invented right to kill a baby growing in their wombs. We are made to protect the little thing not smash it to piece cause of its poor sense of timing! I am no fundamentalist but I call a spade a spade. Abortion is not safe or a choice. It is murder. If that makes me fundamentalist in your book, then that I OK with me. I would much rather be honest with myself then try to live some illusion that abortion is a good thing. It just is not, period. (sorry about the pun, must be that time of the month when I go nuts again)

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Nina Hanina What are you blabbering about? Because you discover that you are pregnant in a bathroom makes a baby not a baby then? What a load of rubbish. I mean, I am all for a good debate but comer on? Nina Hanina, what are you smoking man? The fetus is part of her body? Did you know that from conception, it has its own DNA, its own blood type? What planet are you from Hanina Maria! You are in a little trouble it seems. Maybe get some help because you barely know you biology from your rights

Chris Tanthi •

Nina, Comparing the embryo to sperm and ova is nothing more than sophistry. The sperm and ovum have yet to go through a process which will fundamentally change their composition and nature; the embryo has only to be left alone in its natural environment to become a baby.

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What little baby Teresa? When a woman discovers she is pregnant she is alone in a bathroom. What baby is there to protect? Do you remember life in the womb? You wouldn't have known and wouldn't have cared if your mother had miscarried. Life is a coincidence... you cannot say that anyone has a right to come to life. You have a right to life once you have life. A fetus is only a potential life, just like sperm and ova, so no I don't believe it deserves state protection the way children receive state protection from parental abuse. Even if you leave that egg alone, 20% of all pregnancies end in natural abortion. No one will care when this happens, except the mother. So leave it up to her. She has the power to prevent children being born into violent families, impoverished families, non-families. She has this power whether or not you give it to her because the fetus is part of her body. What we are discussing is whether or not we should make this safe for women.

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Nina says “To be pro-choice is to be capable of empathy” But not enough to consider that a little baby dies in an abortion right? There is no such thing as pro-choice. It is a myth, you are pro-abortion and you are trying to get people to accept your opinions by calling murder a choice.

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This Nina person is trying to make out that the planned parenthood brigade are the saviors of women. This is a lie. 1. Babies are always wanted, if not by the pregnant woman, by someone else. 2. Babies do not become non-babies just because planned parenthood say so. 3. I am sure that God is a loving God but abortion is still wrong and just because God loves, this does not make the killing of a baby OK 4. The many women I know in the UK who had abortions were never offered counseling but an invoice. 5.Just because you were pregnant and had broken up with your boyfriend did not mean your poor baby was less of a baby

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To be pro-choice is to be capable of empathy. "We have anti-choice women in for abortions all the time. Many of them are just naive and ignorant until they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. Many of them are not malicious. They just haven't given it the proper amount of thought until it completely affects them. They can be judgmental about their friends, family, and other women. Then suddenly they become pregnant. Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice. Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one else does." (Physician, Washington State) "In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the 'antis' by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular 'sidewalk counselor' went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter's situation had caused her to change her mind. 'I don't expect you to understand my daughter's situation!' she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to 'murder their babies.'" "I was born into a very Catholic family, and was politically pro-life during college. After dating my first real boyfriend for three years, we broke up, and the day my boyfriend moved out, I discovered I was pregnant. It was an agonizing decision, and something I never thought I would do, but I decided an abortion was the only realistic option. Thanks to Planned Parenthood counseling, I worked through some very tough conflicts within myself. I had to learn that my decision was a loving one. That 'my god' was actually a loving and supportive god. And that men don't have to make this decision, only women do. That it is a very personal, individual decision. I had to own it. I became much more compassionate towards myself and others as a result of my experience..."(Clinic escort, Massachusetts) "The sister of a Dutch bishop in Limburg once visited the abortion clinic in Beek where I used to work in the seventies. After entering the full waiting room she said to me, 'My dear Lord, what are all those young girls doing here?' 'Same as you', I replied. 'Dirty little dames,' she said." (Physician, The Netherlands) http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

Chris Tanthi •

@ truth seeker. There was a time, not a million, nor even a hundred, and in some cases not 50 or even 40 years ago, that in many countries a great majority of people was against abortion. Attitudes change - and rapidly too - as traditional values give way to more modern ones and as societies become more individualistic. Organisations like G of L can keep reminding us that, unless we beware, what appears to be abhorrent today may become acceptable quite soon. Secondly, remember the USA and Roe vs Wade. Irrespective of what the majority any have believed and desired, abortion was made legal by a court decision. Organisations like G of L can lobby Parliament to take steps to make the legalisation of abortion (and euthanasia) by non-Parliamentary means more difficult to achieve, for example through entrenchment of the right to life from conception till natural death.

eleonoray86cws Ca?uana •

What I don't understand about GoL is why they make an issue where there isn't. There is no pro-choice organisation in Malta, no political party (except Lowell and Emmy Bezzina... irrelevant) want to introduce abortion. 87% of the Maltese are against abortion. So where's the issue here. PS: I'm one of the 87%

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Alfred Galea •

Barry, killing a child just because you and your husband have separated is just murder for revenge...no matter how nice you make it sound. As for the abortion mills aka killing fields they ENCOURAGE women to have abortions. Even minors......if you take a look at the "ACORN" undercover videos in the US you'll see for yourself.

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OOPS! Sorry! Forgot my name: ANDREW FARRUGIA alias afar3

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Precisely Mary Barry; why do others hide their names, or even worse send the most disgusting comments under false names? The answer is that this rag has earned a certain notoriety for such unethical standards, as in having a KEY JOURNO of this rag posting snide remarks about the professional status of the undersigned. As if i am going to be bothered by the inanities written by said (sad?) journo? As if i am going to care because this "humane" exemplar "outed" me? One of the basic rules of a professional journalist is to respect certain codes of confidentiality, but this chappie does not even know the meaning of this. He is arrogant and can't stand being constantly "debunked" by poor little me. Hahahahaha!

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4 all we know, CitizenX could be James or even better, Dr Farrugia himself. I am not afraid to put my name up there. Why do others hide?

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Matrixchild, don't bother with CitizenX, he/she is obviously a disgruntled politician from the Pl who is now blaming the possible ban on embryo freezing on Austin gatt. How irrelevant can one get? I think that the writer of this piointless blog should get a life himself. Who does he think he is calling people names? James has a personal problem with Vince of the anti-abortion movement so he made it personal and rto my mind, James lost all credibility.

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@Matrixchild Thank you for correcting my typo. What alarmed you about my post - the suggestion that even ejaculation might be considered murder of life? Bet that put you in a panic eh Sur Matrix. Jokes apart - let's hope Austin Gatt is not reading this. I can already see a grand new billion euro project to connect digital meters to our testicles. This country is going to the dogs alright, but its not my opinion that took it there. Open another titty bar, let some more cocaine on our streets, or more gambling dens?. Then come and pretend we are living in Vatican city in this country.

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@CitizenX Your are right gbin. Abortion is a woman's Tomb. Never heard so much rubbish. No wonder this Island is going to the dogs with opinions like yours

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There is the issue of the government having control on a woman's tomb. And the argument to extend life to +9 is none sense and appeals to people with more agendas than understanding. The same logic should extend to sperm in that case and i am not trying to be gross - just drawing their argument to its natural conclusion. Having said that - i love my kids dearly and i have often thought to myself that my life is perfect (meaning all the bad bits can be overlooked) coz everything leads to these kids being exactly as they are - being born to be who they are. The greater issue however is - we made this decision when we entered the EU. Stop threating this group of Europeans as if we are in a private zoo. Considering our size - i think we should take our EU accession one step further and get absorded into some other country - so we can enjoy equals rights and have less buffons telling us what to do with penis and wombs!

Jeffrey Vella •

The concept of having an abortion is negative.However,just because my opinion is against having an abortion,I think that it should be legalised. It is nonsense to keep abortion illegal in Malta when many Maltese women are going to Italy to have it done anyway. One can never say never,it is a right that most countries in the world have and we don't. This is like the divorce argument ! When is Malta coming to 21st century ?

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'A woman would never write what you wrote'? What kind of feminist are you Banks? Are there some things a woman shouldn't write, or is not smart enough to write, or doesn't have the balls to write?

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How about you think about my serious arguments instead of speculating about my identity? If you are going to take upon yourselves the responsibility of denying all Malta's women the ability to access abortion safely, then please don't make light of it.

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Errata Typo: which characterise

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Banks, if, and only IF, your sneaky suspicions are correct, then that continues to show the abysmal depths of iniquity which characterises the contributions on this rag.

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NinaHanina..... I have a sneaky feeling that you are a man and possibly even someone who regularly writes for this paper. I may be mistaken but you last post smells very familiar. A woman would never write what you wrote. It just feels so Vassalloish. So I am off to paint my toe nails for the second time today.

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Abortion clinic patient interviews show that a regular percentage of abortion patients declare themselves to be against abortion, but believe that their personal circumstances are 'exceptional'. They make use of the service that they would deny to others because they lack the ability to empathize with other women's pain. Now that is selfishness. @Banks: Even if like everything else abortion can be used wrongly by family members and partners to force a woman to end a pregnancy against her will, I would rather have safe access to it than not. A partner who forces a woman to have an abortion would be cruel enough to give her a backstreet abortion himself if he needs to, so this can never be an argument against introducing safe abortion services. Of course I agree that no one has the right to force someone else to have an abortion. Joe South feels qualified to judge the woman in my example (which I did not invent) as spiteful and revengeful. He also feels qualified to make decisions about this woman's family life - he feels he has the right to make her have a baby even though her marriage has just broken down. How is the name-calling Joe South so sure he knows better when other humble people are full of doubt?

Alfred Galea •

Nina....the ONLY choice they give is abortion....they NEVER counsel any woman to keep her baby and maybe give it up for adoption, no matter what you or any abortionist/baby killer might say. Nina, did you ever try using contraceptives?? Now there's a brilliant idea and a way for you not to get pregnant and murdering your child. As for your "example"....so the woman wanted revenge on her ex husband and used the murder of an innocent baby to get it....and she has the gall to call herself a christian?? Give us a break.

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Go figure Hanina, i can't make you out at all. I am a feminist. I am for men who don't send women to an abortion to cover up their dirty deeds. I think you should be a little less dramatic . You make it sound so very grave.One would think that the anti abortion people tie women down for 9 months. Glad you never had an abortion BTW. I guess nobody in this whole affair is qualified to talk as none of us have been through an abortion.

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@Banks: When I speak about my 'children', I mean all the children that I could have had but decided not to have. According to the 'choice of the children' argument, my selfish choice to limit the size of my family is depriving around 10 children from life. I did not try to lead you to believe that I have had an abortion. If I had an abortion I would not let a newspaper know because under Maltese law I would be sentenced to prison. PS: I get as annoyed as you do when men like Vincenti decide to force women to give birth and become mothers, because like Debono he has no idea what it is to be pregnant ;-)

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Abortion is a cover-up for our selfish whims. We are so disturbed by the whole dammed thing we will not even call it by its true name.This paper is not what i thought it was. Promoting an anti-baby culture is wrong harmful and anit women, especially when it comes from men like Debono who has no idea what it is like to be pregnant.

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Sorry Ninahanina, you are living in a sad state. How many weeks was your pregnancy then? Can you tell me? It is fine to say that your child was only a clump of material but you have not told us how many weeks pregnant you were? By the time that we find out we are pregnant we are already pregnant with a formed life. I used to think it took many months for any shape to take form. It takes about 6 weeks. A heat beast almost right away, well before we even know we are having a baby. So how many weeks pregnant were you?

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Until there is a feeling person to protect and help, who exactly are we trying to help? All people are a product of their parents' decision to have them - no person has a choice in the matter. When I die my 'children's' spirits are not going to come up to me and say "We weren't born because of you." They just don't exist unless we make them, and I'm not playing God because all sexual animals have the ability to choose whether to reproduce or not. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. In between there is life. It is cruel to insist on the rights of biological material that is not yet a formed, feeling life while ignoring the despair of a person who is going to become a parent against her wishes. Our loyalty should be to people not to potential people.

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@Ninahanina Peaceful, maybe denial ? Children 2 What abou the choice of the baby that died? What if she was female like us? There goes another woman with no choice I suppose.

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@Ninahanina I happen to think that the reasons given by the Maltese woman in question, whose religion is Christianity, are abhorrent/ abominable/detestable/repugnant. My sense of disgust is further exacerbated by her feelings about the abortion.

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I disagree Joe South. No matter how you reason it out, pro-choice groups offer a sincere choice. In legal abortion clinics women are offered counselling first to make sure that they are convinced of their decision and still want to go ahead with the procedure. Testimony of a Maltese woman: Country of birth: Malta Year of abortion: 2007 Country of abortion: United Kingdom Type of abortion: in a clinic or hospital with surgery Reason for abortion: financial issues, my personal reasons for not wanting a child, mental health reasons I had already started divorce proceedings when I discovered I was pregnant. There was no way I was bringing another child into the world in these circumstances, and then be forced to let my ex husband have visitation rights with the new child on top of everything. Feelings about abortion: comfortable, peaceful, resolved, relieved, confident Religion: Christianity Children: 1

Alfred Galea •

NinaHanina, the pro-abortion groups do not give a woman a choice, they point her in one direction only...to kill her unborn child. As for your "forming organism doesn't have a mind" crap, it has been proven time and time again that it can survive on its own, premature babies who lived are a good example of that. You pro-abortion friends are even in favour of live-birth abortions, killing a baby when the abortion attempt fails for some reason.

Peter Cassar •

Manuel I respect the views of those who are against abortion (who doesn't want to see less abortions being performed?) and even those who disagree with freezing of embryos (with whom I disagree). What I find bigoted and loony is the obsessive lobbying, the political witch hunting, the pestering of people, the equation of freezing with abortion which confuses the issues....and the whole idea of imposing their views on future generations and using abortion which is a non issue in Malta as a pretext against IVF.

Peter Cassar •

Manuel I respect the views of those who are against abortion (who isn't?) and even those who disagree with freezing of embryos (with whom I disagree). What I find bigoted and loony is the obsessive lobbying, the political witch hunting, the pestering of people, the equation of freezing with abortion....and the whole idea of imposing their views on future generations.

Chris Tanthi •

My response to James' piece can fe found here http://manuelsmumblings.blogspot.com/2011/01/life-in-cold.html

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Quite frankly,ninahanina, i'm not in the least interested about whether you agree with me or not, nor am i really bothered about what you think of me.

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GOL want to impose motherhood on all women who have sex (they are against contraception too, believe it or not). The pro-choice way: A woman (who may be young, sick, unemployed, depressed, in an unhappy relationship, or simply happy without children) chooses whether or not she becomes a mother. The forming organism in her womb does not yet have a mind with which to care whether it lives or dies, or with which to feel pain or suffering. Nobody suffers, including the woman. Needless to say, once children are born they deserve to be treated with love and anyone who chooses to become a parent should be prepared to emotionally support their children throughout their lives. I respect this "rag" (I don't think it is a rag, and I think it is rude of afar3 to use the word) for being the only powerful progressive voice in Malta, although I dislike its tendency to find a red headline where there isn't always one. But yes, I read it and so does afar3.

Alfred Galea •

So Rafe, just because Vincenti does it it's ok for a "journalist" to do it too?? And then his fellow stablemate comes and puts in his two eurocents in?? Mickey Mouse? No....Disney World. By the way, make sure you wash your hands after you kill those babies and before touching your food.

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Hardly an original pastime; if i am not mistaken Hannibal Lecter was there before you. Enjoy.

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And why bother trawling The Times when this same rag offers such gems as "DaphneBabe's comment below, to the EFFECTS that..."?

carmel duca •

For once I agree. It is more than evident that not all of us took the same secretarial course before posting comments online. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a few babies to murder before supper.... so long and enjoy the rest of 2011

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True, The Times provides fertile ground for bloomers/bloopers; how about this one: ".....a real danger that she will beocme terminally ill" and this one "Rioghts" and this one " would done is direct defiance" (corrected later). A treasure trove, indeed.

carmel duca •

How odd. I copied and pasted it directly from your comment on the Times...

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It's DITCHKINS, oh master of spelling, not DITCHKENS; is that all you can dredge up from my shameful cache of insults? Tut, tut, from an expert in matters obnoxious and offensive i expected much better!

carmel duca •

Facts, huh? Well, I suggest you apply some discourse analysis to your own comments on the Times. You can start with these: "…DITCHKENS…" "…Methinks there are some nihilists who revel in depravity…" "…the loud, foul-mouthed libertarian brigade…" That's just a taster of the countless, charming little compliments you have paid other people in recent months... and I'm being nice enough not to include the ones with glaring spelling mistakes and malapropisms. And you accuse me of insulting others? Ho, ha, hum.

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Whether life begins at conception or not has always been a cultural opinion; the Church itself opiniated up to the 60's that blue babies do not qualifiy as "living beings" and therefore they could not be baptised or be buried in the blessed part of the cemetry. Now, the Church has changed all the parameters, and" pro-lifer" Mr Vincenti, wants to teach us that this has always been the Church's teaching. I see nothing wrong with the Church's teaching, but having Mr Vincenti naming and shaming who does not agree with the "new" shift in opinion, is all crass hypocrisy.

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Nope, i deal with FACTS, as can be established by even a simple quick-and-dirty exercise in discourse analysis of particular texts.

carmel duca •

"If the usual apologist for manipulative, dishonest, insulting and offensive journalism.." And I take that doesn't qualify as an insult either, right?

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If the usual apologist for manipulative, dishonest, insulting and offensive journalism is referring to me, allow me to state my full name: Andrew Farrugia. Your rag decided which tag to attach to my comment; I provided all details as required.

carmel duca •

DaphneBabe's comment below, to the effects that Paul Vincenti never attacks others personally, is untrue. Paul Vincenti has regularly (and viciously) attacked other people for failing to share his views. DaphneBabe seems to be forgetting how Paul Vincenti published a list of MPs who had refused to sign his petition, in what was clearly an attempt to direct public hatred against them. Once, he even attacked the concierge at the Castille Hotel, for renting out a room to a pro-choice activist (Rebecca Gomperts) who had come here to give a lecture. On another occasion he publicly accused me, among others, of trying to introduce abortion to Malta, when all I had done was question the real motivations behind the Constitutional amendment crusade. He only removed the claim from his website because I threatened to sue. And to date he has never answered any of the question I raised and continue to raise about this campaign. Meanwhile I suggest DaphneBabe read a few of his comments on secular humanism under a recent article in the Times: nothing but one insult after another after another. And deliberately misleading insults, too: like when he seeks to equate humanism with being pro-abortion, when a number of humanists (including rather famous ones like Christopher Hitchens) are actually pro-life. Judging by those who take it upon themselves to defend him - always anonymously, I can't help but note - it is only criticism of Paul Vincenti that qualifies as 'insulting'. The same people never see anything 'insulting' about the constant stream of insults levelled by Paul Vincenti at everyone who holds a different world-view from his own.

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I read this rubbish. Now I know why we need the GOL. It is revolting how the reporter thinks. I am so disgusted. This is why they hate pro-life people so much, they would kill an embryo and think it is nothing.

Alfred Galea •

[Instead I find myself wasting my time writing this blog] You said it.

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We seem to have got used to this kind of thrash, this gutter kind of excrement which oozes copiously out of the innards of this journalistic stable.

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R Casha, I assume you are the same Ramon Casha who constantly comments against life at conception and in favour of abortion right? If not, I apologise. You mean he (Mr Vincent)is an embarrassment for people like you who see him as a threat because you are pro-abortion and can’t see abortion debate moving forward as you would like? Those who agree that the killing of innocents are the one who should be ashamed. Bullies, picking on persons who can't speak up to defend themselves and then you call this a choice?? What planet are you on? If your mum had aborted you where would you be? Grow up a little won't you? I agree with you Joe South, they offer no choice to women only abortion to hide their responsibilities as men.

Alfred Galea •

Keep on classy James........you elicit a strong revulsion in others I'm sure. Pro-Choice?? You mean pro-abortion don't you? They don't give women a choice, they just tell them where to get an abortion.

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You call people what they are. I'm with James on this one. GOL - are reflecting the extreme conservatism of Malta.

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Gift of Life aka Paul Vincenti is an embarrassment to people who are pro-life.

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Personal attacks are never good for anyone. When people attack others personally, it is a clear sign that they feel threatened. This is always the case in politics or other issues. I see that JPO supports Dr Farrugia, does this mean that the man who wants divorce is also anti-life? It seems that the true colours are coming out and I don’t mean red or blue.

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This article stinks of personal attacks. I lose respect for people who attack others so publicly no matter what they may feel about each other. Mr Debono, if you disagree so much then why not try something radical like disagree with the arguments they make in favour of life. Instead you attack Mr Vincenti personally. I am very disappointed with the way your paper attacks people personally all the time. This man never attacked you personally.

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Good or bad you should not call Gift of Life names.