[LIVE] Lawrence Gonzi in the Public Accounts Committee

Former prime minister Lawrence Gonzi appears for the second time before the PAC in a continuation of the parliamentary committee's inquiry into Enemalta's oil procurement
 

20:14 The sitting is being suspended and a date will be decided among the PAC members. Good night and thank you for following us. Miriam Dalli
20:11 PN MP Beppe Fenech Adami, arguing that the PAC is discussing Enemalta’s fuel procurement and hedging, suggests that the Auditor General investigates the hedging agreements that took place recently, especially during 2014, in order for the PAC to analyse how the hedging affected the country’s coffers.

Bonnici says there is no objection to the Opposition’s request, pointing out that the Auditor General was obliged to do so.

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20:05 The members are now discussing when to meet. Miriam Dalli
20:02 Bonnici refers to Gonzi’s testimony before the PAC last week, when he had vehemently denied ever meeting Farrugia. Pointing this out, Gonzi said he thought the question was about whether he had meet Farrugia in connection with oil. Gonzi adds that he didn’t know what connection Farrugia held with the private project and that, as far as he knew, this was a project of the Hili family.

Asked whether George Farrugia had coordinated the meeting with Leonard Callus, Gonzi said he didn’t know. Bonnici proceeds to read emails published by MaltaToday in which Callus asks Farrugia to pass on a copy of the presentation before the meeting with Gonzi et al.

“All I know is that this would have been an investment from the Gulf and that the local promoters were the Hili’s. I don’t know how George Farrugia was involved in it.” Miriam Dalli

19:49 In reply to questions by Zammit Lewis, Gonzi says he carried a search of appointments in his Outlook system and nothing turned up specifically referring to George Farrugia.

Farrugia was involved in Horizon Terminals Ltd.

“The company was called Horizon Terminals Ltd and they had been interested in doing a private project. And the family Hili were involved. They spoke to the minister and eventually there was a presentation but nothing resulted. That project ended up in court. I had been extremely sceptical because it involved the construction of a breakwater that cost millions. And my skepticism was justified.” Miriam Dalli

19:40 Asked why the process for the privatisation of the petroleum division had been cancelled, and if Farrugia’s allegation of irregularities in the process played a part, Gonzi said that he could not remember. He says that Tonio Fenech would be in a better position to explain what had happened. Miriam Dalli
19:37 Dear readers, with reference to the 18:29 blog, the year should be 2010 and not 2013. Miriam Dalli
19:35 In reply to questions by Justyne Caruana, Gonzi says that “persons of integrity ask for a subject before meeting people requesting a chat”. He reiterates that he refused to meet Farrugia when they said they wanted to meet over alleged irregularities in connection with a tender. Asked why Edgar Galea Curmi had been copied in, Gonzi says because at that stage the formal process kicked off. “I did it because I wanted my personal assistant to know and to have an official record that a meeting was requested and I turned it down.”

Gonzi says Galea Curmi received one email and not the whole thread. Miriam Dalli

19:11 Zammit Lewis and Gonzi engage in a discussion on whether an email had been forwarded and how the email system works after Zammit Lewis asks Gonzi to exhibit an email sent by Cathy Farrugia on 3 July at 11:48am.

Parliamentary secretary Justyne Caruana reminds Gonzi that he had referred to an email sent on 2 July but the emails presented referred to 3 July. Photocopies of the emails dated 2 July are now being made. Miriam Dalli

19:07 Gonzi says he was “angry at himself” for having forgotten (during the last sitting) that he had turned down a meeting requested by Cathy Farrugia. “That reply does me honour,” Gonzi says.

Zammit Lewis then asks about the time Cathy Farrugia worked as a secretary at Mizzi firm, the same firm Gonzi worked at. Both worked at the legal office. He however got defence when asked about it: “Because MaltaToday reported that Cathy Farrugia had been my secretary and it’s not true. My secretary was Josephine Galea and she had nothing to do with Cathy. I know who Cathy is but I am not familiar with her. And no, Cathy was not the board secretary. I served as chairman of the board,” Gonzi says. Miriam Dalli

18:57 Gonzi says you would know thousands of people but you would not be familiar with them: “It is the most common thing in this country.” Gonzi is replying to questions by Zammit Lewis in reaction to the familiarity shown by Cathy Farrugia in an email she sent to Gonzi requesting a meeting with her husband, George Farrugia. In the email, Cathy talks about her children before requesting a meeting between Gonzi and “George”.

Gonzi reacts: “I expected questions to be on what I said and that I refused to meet them. Can you try and explain your series of arguments to try and build this familiarity between myself and Farrugia’s. What are we doing here? Is this a court procedure? I want to know what is going on here. Because if so… I am a lawyer and I know how to reply. It is obscene and I can’t reply in a political environment. This is a political environment. I have the right to reply in this political environment. If you want, stop me.”

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18:49 Asked whether he communicated with Cathy Farrugia before 2006, Gonzi said his records go back to 2006 based on what the system made accessible. “I don’t think there were any other communications but I am not in a position to confirm whether there were any other emails before 2006,” Gonzi tells Minister Owen Bonnici.

“Cathy Farrugia sent an email requesting meeting with husband. I replied that ‘on a point of principle I do not accept have meetings on issues that are proceeding by tender’. George Farrugia replied ‘to clarify his position and avoid any misunderstanding that may have arisen from the email’.”

In the email quoted by Gonzi, Farrugia says “having got to know of some disquieting rumours, I thought it would interest you to know”. In an earlier email, Farrugia informs Gonzi that PowerPlan Ltd was one of the bidders for the privatisation of Enemalta’s petroleum division: “I heard rumours from informed sources that things may not be as straight as they should”.

Asked by Bonnici whether any action had been taken on the allegations he received, Gonzi said: “Yes of course I alerted those responsible of the privatisation but nothing resulted from the allegation.”

“I don’t meet with tenderers … others do,” Gonzi comments, prompting Bonnici to ask: “who are you referring to?” Gonzi replies: “Joe Mizzi went to Spain to meet a bidder”, prompting Zammit Lewis that a minister had traveled with bidders. Miriam Dalli

18:36 Minister Edward Zammit Lewis raised an objection to Gonzi’s statements, arguing that it had nothing to do with what the PAC had previously asked him. But Gonzi replies that he wanted to go on “because I know what you were trying to get at”.

“If the PAC chose to take this road, then it should investigate everything. I was no one’s lawyer and I didn’t represent anyone from the Farrugia family. There are things which this committee has to clarify. Michael Cassar testified that he had decided to take steps against the Farrugia brothers [before the change in administration]. […] Manuel Mallia resigned as minister on 9 December 2014. A few days later Michael Cassar [now police commissioner] said that Farrugia’s brothers will be arraigned,” Gonzi replies. Miriam Dalli

18:29 Lawrence Gonzi starts off by making a number of clarifications over his first testimony last week, based on the transcription made available by the committee. Between 2004 and 2008, and 2008 and 2013 the minister responsible of Enemalta was Austin Gatt. As from 2013, Enemalta responsibility fell under Tonio Fenech.

The second clarification relates to the presidential pardon: “The first time a presidential pardon was mentioned was when I gave comments to the Times. I explained that on 31 January 2013, I gave comments to the media. To clarify the whole picture, I gave that comment because on 31 January, Frank Portelli posted on Facebook – picked up by Arnold Cassola on his Facebook as well – and Cassola said that Portelli was talking ‘real sense’.”

In his comments, Portelli suggested that parliament convenes and pass a Whistleblower’s Act. Gonzi explained that such an act “solves nothing” as it doesn’t apply to crime accomplices. “I told the media that calling a parliament to approve a Whistleblower’s Act would solve nothing and I said that I was ready to take all steps so that all those responsible are apprehended,” he said.

“Until 31 January, 11 days after MaltaToday broke the story, I had no information about police investigation or whom they had interrogated. I hope this clarifies matters.”

Gonzi added that he had read the testimony of the police team “and they all confirm what I have been saying in that they heard my comments from the media and the lawyers of the accused heard it as well and it was Michael Cassar who suggested to [Farrugia] to consider availing himself of a presidential pardon”.

In a third clarification, Gonzi refers to his relationship with Cathy Farrugia. Originally he had told the PAC that he had never communicated via email with Farrugia. Following the publication of emails by MaltaToday, Gonzi sought MITA’s help to access his email records. In the six years between 2006 and 2013, Gonzi received over 96,000 emails and he personally replied to over 46,000 emails.

Explaining how the four emails received from the Farrugia couple “in no way shows that I was familiar with the couple”.

“Allegations of familiarity with the Farrugia family is being done in a malicious manner and I hope that the PAC does not take subscribe to it. I hope my clarification and my refusal to meet Farrugia over a tender bursts the bubble of those who want to cast doubts. It is scandalous that only part of the contents of my email were public. I refused to meet them and this reply was not published. I have to register my disgust.” Miriam Dalli

17:58 The PAC, scheduled at 6pm, should start soon. Miriam Dalli
17:19 Good afternoon... welcome to today's live blog of the Public Accounts Committe from the House of Representatives. Matthew Vella